So I have been working in the US for last 8 years and one thing I note is - somehow Americans love the idea of work. It is like deeply ingrained into them. Back in India, from where I am, the idea of work is to make sure we get some activity done in a day, and then rest of time is spent with family, friends and also pursuing spiritual practices like meditation and studying philosophy.
I understand, due to the work ethic of Americans they have built a country which is most rich and is some sort of super power, but at the same time when I meet with my fellow American coworkers, I see all of them suffering from some sort of neurosis.
Maybe a broader picture of life needs to be presented where “work” is a piece of puzzle and not everything.
"I was conditioned to think that I needed to be perfect; otherwise, I wasn’t worthy of acceptance and love."
This is IT. I was just reflecting on how my imposter syndrome didn't materialize as a result of the treatment I received at certain jobs—rather, it was the reason I pursued and stayed at those types of jobs (and relationships, but that's another story) to begin with. I needed to be perfect, and perfect will always be an impossible target.
I've had similar experiences before 5-15 minute presentations (over Zoom, with notes) when I reached the height of my career as a Creative Director. I would practice obsessively over and over, burst out crying throughout the day, and get very close to bowing out before giving what appeared to be an easy, natural performance and receiving tons of praise. My success never made the next one any easier, it was just a new bar to live up to.
Other people may have a higher window of tolerance because they just don't CARE as much as we do. I've noticed those people aren't particularly good at their jobs, though. The trick, I think, is to care for the right reasons—not because you need to prove that you're enough, but because you have a genuine calling to solve problems. It will still be inherently stressful, but more of it will be that positive type of stress that doesn't screw with our nervous system. And to your point, moving on when the culture is not respectful, let alone balanced, is paramount.
Personally, I wound up with Long Covid. Even then I pushed through 2 years of shortness of breath, crushing fatigue, elevated heart rate (150-170 bpm), digestive issues, and anxiety. I finally got laid off (an ego death, but better than a real one), and became bed ridden. My body was completely shot and made the decision for me. A year has passed and I'm still recovering.
We tend to take our health for granted until we have a big scare like yours, or mine. I hope more people come to understand that we are inherently worthy, and there is as much value in being (how we care for ourselves and show up in the world) as in doing.
Thank you for this excellent, vulnerable contribution to the topic of tech and burnout! I'm going to share it around.
Thank you for sharing, Lisa. Your vulnerability will help others. I'm sorry to hear about the battle with long Covid as well. I went to a regenerative medicine center for another chronic physical condition I was battling, and they've had success with helping people recover from long Covid and/or vaccine injury. https://regenerativemedicinela.com/treatments/long-haul-covid/
I wish someone had taught me these things eight years ago. I've spent the last few years balancing working and not ending up with major health complications.
During my first and only sabbatical (now), I'm learning what that tolerance range is.
My biggest concern is future earnings against future cost of living. I have to go back to regular work sooner than I wanted, and my body is already anticipating the stress.
Thank you so much. Wonderful advices. My window of tolerance is pretty small right now, my goals changed, and my meaning of live changed. It is unfortunate that sometimes a huge health challenge can be the reason of all that. I fell with Guillain Barre, which both traumatized me and transformed my life for the better.
Gabor Mate has played a huge role in my healing as well.
Thank you for your transparency and for sharing your own personal experience. It’s inspiring to hear that you chose your health over professional demands — health is wealth, after all.
This article hit me the perfect time. I'm someone who has throughly enjoyed slowing down. I'm noticing more how the machines I've created that you outlined (mortgage, eating out, modern habits that are expensive) and how I'm saying yes to that. I'm glad you were able to get off the "work" train and find what works best. I'm looking forward to using my tolerance list to help me get more clarity on my progression.
Thank you for this! 🙏 I’ve had so many conversations about this recently. It also seems to me that if you burnout once, you’re almost likely to burnout again if you don’t understand the causes from your side as well as the organisational or other personality influences.
Thank you for this. After practicing law for almost 20 years I walked away from a very successful position and began subbing for $78 a day. I was in my 40’s. Everyone said I was crazy, but I just knew. No calculation or heavy analysis was needed. I just knew. When you get to that point there are few regrets. I ended up teaching for 22 years. Never looked back. It took me about 5 years before I finally knew it was time, but it eventually became clear, to me anyway.
These are frightening and lonely decisions. My world wanted status quo but I knew, for me, it was no longer sustainable.
Did I miss the money? Yes. But my reward was the knowledge that I was where I was supposed to be. Again. I just knew.
Retired from it all now. I loved both careers. My first twenty years enriched my second. It was just time for a different path. And I took it. And that's ok.
Thanks for sharing this! Unfortunately, people don’t wake up until they have their own wake up call ☎️ with their own alarm ⏰ ringing…your practical tips are really great but I’m surprised you didn’t mention vacation anywhere not even in your green circle…the main reason I was happy to quit being an employee is that I could take off to any destination at any time for how long I wanted even it meant making less money…vacation time is crucial to reduce stress levels…just taking a plane ✈️, entering a nice hotel 🏨 walking on the beach, just changes your life for the best…I grew up in France 🇫🇷 where 5 week vacations are sacred…I tried my best to implement a French lifestyle in the US…only include in your life what makes you happy…🩶 work to live, don’t live to work…
There is a big shift in environment happening, and it is one of the big positives from Covid times.
People are waking up and realizing there is no sense in spending 50 years of your time, on a job you most likely don't even like that much, and spending little time with family, and even littler on yourself. It's time everyone recognizes this. A culture shift
How, this is absolute gold, thank you, Andy. As a CEO that identified with your 50%, I'm going through a bit of a midlife crisis as the momentum of my business grows. This post has SO MUCH VALUE. I'm going to prioritize these exercises immediately. My work success is not worth the weight, grey hairs, and weakening state I feel myself in, even if work is interesting or just all consuming. Way to be part of the solution.
Some very familiar themes in all this. So much so that I’ve saved it down and will re-read. It certainly becomes a bit of a trap when you’re fortunate enough to make a good income and can “harvest” the harder work of your earlier career. It might be easier to walk away from a job you didn’t like which was unfulfilling if you earned an average wage (although you probably couldn’t afford to), there is a greater likelihood that you could find a job which is more rewarding and earn the same pay check. However I feel like I should have a higher threshold (for a job which is a grind) because the fiscal reward is much greater. As a result I find myself trying much harder to balance work (and hence maintaining the income) and everything that’s not work (where you can find nourishment). It’s a fine line.
Lastly, how in the hell do you live on $1k per week? Presume you’re in the US? Isn’t your rent that much? Or maybe mortgage? Insurance? Utilities? Ever take a nice holiday? Presume no kids (or kids private school fees…) or partner or car? Cable tv? Mobile phone?
I keep my life very simple. It's not for everyone, but it is how I like things. I am single and without children. Obviously, my monthly spending would change meaningfully with a family. I have no mortgage or other forms of debt. I drive a Honda Civic and have everyday bills like a cell phone. Part of the year I live in SE Asia, where the cost of living is very low. I can live in Vietnam for $1,000 a month. I cook most of my meals at home so I eat healthy and keep costs down that way. However, I take trips, so my biggest enjoyment expense is flight costs. Moving forward, I'm looking into buying land to grow my food and establish more self-sufficiency. My garden will be my pharmacy, keeping me healthy and away from massive healthcare expenses.
Very interesting. I just reached 6 months of my sabbatical. It’s encouraging to know you took time off and were still able to recalibrate for your next step.
So I have been working in the US for last 8 years and one thing I note is - somehow Americans love the idea of work. It is like deeply ingrained into them. Back in India, from where I am, the idea of work is to make sure we get some activity done in a day, and then rest of time is spent with family, friends and also pursuing spiritual practices like meditation and studying philosophy.
I understand, due to the work ethic of Americans they have built a country which is most rich and is some sort of super power, but at the same time when I meet with my fellow American coworkers, I see all of them suffering from some sort of neurosis.
Maybe a broader picture of life needs to be presented where “work” is a piece of puzzle and not everything.
I believe that's absolutely right.
"I was conditioned to think that I needed to be perfect; otherwise, I wasn’t worthy of acceptance and love."
This is IT. I was just reflecting on how my imposter syndrome didn't materialize as a result of the treatment I received at certain jobs—rather, it was the reason I pursued and stayed at those types of jobs (and relationships, but that's another story) to begin with. I needed to be perfect, and perfect will always be an impossible target.
I've had similar experiences before 5-15 minute presentations (over Zoom, with notes) when I reached the height of my career as a Creative Director. I would practice obsessively over and over, burst out crying throughout the day, and get very close to bowing out before giving what appeared to be an easy, natural performance and receiving tons of praise. My success never made the next one any easier, it was just a new bar to live up to.
Other people may have a higher window of tolerance because they just don't CARE as much as we do. I've noticed those people aren't particularly good at their jobs, though. The trick, I think, is to care for the right reasons—not because you need to prove that you're enough, but because you have a genuine calling to solve problems. It will still be inherently stressful, but more of it will be that positive type of stress that doesn't screw with our nervous system. And to your point, moving on when the culture is not respectful, let alone balanced, is paramount.
Personally, I wound up with Long Covid. Even then I pushed through 2 years of shortness of breath, crushing fatigue, elevated heart rate (150-170 bpm), digestive issues, and anxiety. I finally got laid off (an ego death, but better than a real one), and became bed ridden. My body was completely shot and made the decision for me. A year has passed and I'm still recovering.
We tend to take our health for granted until we have a big scare like yours, or mine. I hope more people come to understand that we are inherently worthy, and there is as much value in being (how we care for ourselves and show up in the world) as in doing.
Thank you for this excellent, vulnerable contribution to the topic of tech and burnout! I'm going to share it around.
Thank you for sharing, Lisa. Your vulnerability will help others. I'm sorry to hear about the battle with long Covid as well. I went to a regenerative medicine center for another chronic physical condition I was battling, and they've had success with helping people recover from long Covid and/or vaccine injury. https://regenerativemedicinela.com/treatments/long-haul-covid/
Thank you so much for the kind words and recommendation, Andy. I will definitely check it out. Appreciate you!
Remember, from a true grasshopper: by the time you save enough to do what you want, you won't know how.
Indeed!
I wish someone had taught me these things eight years ago. I've spent the last few years balancing working and not ending up with major health complications.
During my first and only sabbatical (now), I'm learning what that tolerance range is.
My biggest concern is future earnings against future cost of living. I have to go back to regular work sooner than I wanted, and my body is already anticipating the stress.
I'm trying to remain positive.
Thank you so much. Wonderful advices. My window of tolerance is pretty small right now, my goals changed, and my meaning of live changed. It is unfortunate that sometimes a huge health challenge can be the reason of all that. I fell with Guillain Barre, which both traumatized me and transformed my life for the better.
Gabor Mate has played a huge role in my healing as well.
Thank you for your transparency and for sharing your own personal experience. It’s inspiring to hear that you chose your health over professional demands — health is wealth, after all.
This article hit me the perfect time. I'm someone who has throughly enjoyed slowing down. I'm noticing more how the machines I've created that you outlined (mortgage, eating out, modern habits that are expensive) and how I'm saying yes to that. I'm glad you were able to get off the "work" train and find what works best. I'm looking forward to using my tolerance list to help me get more clarity on my progression.
suck it FUCKSSS
Thank you for this! 🙏 I’ve had so many conversations about this recently. It also seems to me that if you burnout once, you’re almost likely to burnout again if you don’t understand the causes from your side as well as the organisational or other personality influences.
Thank you for this. After practicing law for almost 20 years I walked away from a very successful position and began subbing for $78 a day. I was in my 40’s. Everyone said I was crazy, but I just knew. No calculation or heavy analysis was needed. I just knew. When you get to that point there are few regrets. I ended up teaching for 22 years. Never looked back. It took me about 5 years before I finally knew it was time, but it eventually became clear, to me anyway.
These are frightening and lonely decisions. My world wanted status quo but I knew, for me, it was no longer sustainable.
Did I miss the money? Yes. But my reward was the knowledge that I was where I was supposed to be. Again. I just knew.
Retired from it all now. I loved both careers. My first twenty years enriched my second. It was just time for a different path. And I took it. And that's ok.
Beautiful story :) thank you so much for sharing. It’s inspiring.
Thanks for sharing this! Unfortunately, people don’t wake up until they have their own wake up call ☎️ with their own alarm ⏰ ringing…your practical tips are really great but I’m surprised you didn’t mention vacation anywhere not even in your green circle…the main reason I was happy to quit being an employee is that I could take off to any destination at any time for how long I wanted even it meant making less money…vacation time is crucial to reduce stress levels…just taking a plane ✈️, entering a nice hotel 🏨 walking on the beach, just changes your life for the best…I grew up in France 🇫🇷 where 5 week vacations are sacred…I tried my best to implement a French lifestyle in the US…only include in your life what makes you happy…🩶 work to live, don’t live to work…
There is a big shift in environment happening, and it is one of the big positives from Covid times.
People are waking up and realizing there is no sense in spending 50 years of your time, on a job you most likely don't even like that much, and spending little time with family, and even littler on yourself. It's time everyone recognizes this. A culture shift
How, this is absolute gold, thank you, Andy. As a CEO that identified with your 50%, I'm going through a bit of a midlife crisis as the momentum of my business grows. This post has SO MUCH VALUE. I'm going to prioritize these exercises immediately. My work success is not worth the weight, grey hairs, and weakening state I feel myself in, even if work is interesting or just all consuming. Way to be part of the solution.
Thank you, Kristin! Our successes don't mean much if we don't have our health.
Some very familiar themes in all this. So much so that I’ve saved it down and will re-read. It certainly becomes a bit of a trap when you’re fortunate enough to make a good income and can “harvest” the harder work of your earlier career. It might be easier to walk away from a job you didn’t like which was unfulfilling if you earned an average wage (although you probably couldn’t afford to), there is a greater likelihood that you could find a job which is more rewarding and earn the same pay check. However I feel like I should have a higher threshold (for a job which is a grind) because the fiscal reward is much greater. As a result I find myself trying much harder to balance work (and hence maintaining the income) and everything that’s not work (where you can find nourishment). It’s a fine line.
Lastly, how in the hell do you live on $1k per week? Presume you’re in the US? Isn’t your rent that much? Or maybe mortgage? Insurance? Utilities? Ever take a nice holiday? Presume no kids (or kids private school fees…) or partner or car? Cable tv? Mobile phone?
I keep my life very simple. It's not for everyone, but it is how I like things. I am single and without children. Obviously, my monthly spending would change meaningfully with a family. I have no mortgage or other forms of debt. I drive a Honda Civic and have everyday bills like a cell phone. Part of the year I live in SE Asia, where the cost of living is very low. I can live in Vietnam for $1,000 a month. I cook most of my meals at home so I eat healthy and keep costs down that way. However, I take trips, so my biggest enjoyment expense is flight costs. Moving forward, I'm looking into buying land to grow my food and establish more self-sufficiency. My garden will be my pharmacy, keeping me healthy and away from massive healthcare expenses.
Very interesting. I just reached 6 months of my sabbatical. It’s encouraging to know you took time off and were still able to recalibrate for your next step.
Great post! Knowing when to stop is so important. I stepped off the career trajectory I was on (https://neurodivergentnotes.substack.com/p/finding-hope-and-beauty-in-the-fallow) due to burnout, and have found that living a low-demand lifestyle is the best way to stay within my range of tolerance (https://neurodivergentnotes.substack.com/p/living-a-low-demand-lifestyle).